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Velosmith Interview with Rob Vandermark, an Excerpt

 

Our friends at Velosmith Bicycle Studio did an interview with Seven founder Rob Vandermark recently for a series they’re doing on bike builders. We’ve been working with Velosmith since they opened in 2010, and Tony Bustamante, one of the studio’s founders and owners, once worked with us here at Seven, too. Watch the Velosmith site for the full interview.

In the meantime, here is a brief excerpt:

Velosmith: In 1997, offering a custom bike was a relatively new concept for traditional bike shops. Tell us a little about those early years.

Rob Vandermark: That’s right. There weren’t a lot of options at that time. People were interested in high-end titanium and well-made steel but they didn’t really think that they were going to do true custom. There was no model for it yet. The four of us who started Seven had strong industry backgrounds in design, development, building, marketing, and sales – we had all the bases covered. So, we were able to find retailers who trusted us because of our reputation or past relationships. Within eight weeks of opening, we were shipping orders out the door.

Rob V. on the Trail

Where do you find inspiration for products and design?

RV: I’ve been frame building for 29 years and it’s still engaging for me. It doesn’t get old because the way I relate to the bike keeps changing. For the last few years, my inspiration has come from adventure riding. There was a time when I would look at other industries for inspiration – motorcycles, cars, wheelchairs – more than actually riding. Now, the pendulum has swung back to bike usage, bike riding, and all the niches that are happening in the industry today. It’s always about reconnecting to the bike in a different way.

Who do you see as your ideal customer?

RV: Because everything we do is custom, I see everyone as a Seven customer. It’s anyone who loves riding and wants a better experience while riding.

Bicycling: Dream Bikes – Rides Like a Dream

Joe Lindsey

Axiom SL: Traditional Ti with Unmatched HeritageAxiom SL

Since opening in 1997, Massachusetts-based Seven Cycles has produced everything from belt-drive commuters to carbon-fiber time-trial bikes. But Seven’s beating heart has always been custom titanium, a legacy of founder Rob Vandermark’s long tenure at one-time industry leader Merlin Metalworks. When he left, he took his vision and expertise (not to mention several employees). If you want a Merlin today, you buy a Seven. The Axiom SL, Seven’s most traditional and versatile frame, is a study in the company’s philosophy: Fit and ride quality are paramount, while character and performance are almost infinitely malleable. A dream bike is not just a machine: it’s a deeply personal expression of a rider’s self, entrusted to master craftsmen to interpret and make real. We do not choose lightly whom to entrust with those dreams; with our test Axiom SL, as with thousands of frames before it, Seven has earned that trust.

The Axiom is not going to be mistaken for a top-drawer carbon race bike. It flexes, but in doing so shows it’s alive. Seven can tune even more stiffness into the bike, but I wanted a more balanced ride. This bike proves that you don’t need carbon for performance. Like other custom shops, Seven can build in a BB30 bottom bracket, but this bike is wonderfully reverent, with a traditional 68mm BB shell and a straight 1 1/8-inch steerer tube with a standard King headset. Though the bike isn’t the lightest, at 16.04 pounds for a 54cm, it climbs as well as, or better than, bikes that weight much less.

This Axiom uses a very neat Di2 setup, with just three holes in the frame—near the head tube for the wiring harness, and at the seat tube and chainstay for each of the derailleur wires. The battery is housed in the seat post, which gives the bike a clean and stealthy look. Should you ever decide to go back to mechanical, you could get cable stops on the frame even after the fact.

PezCycling News: Seven Elium Race – Another Superbike Test!

by Charles Manantan


Seven Odonata

Housed in a modern little complex tucked away in an older section of Watertown Mass, Seven Cycles turns out their version of custom Titanium and Carbon cycles. Founded 8 years ago by Rob Vandermark and a few close associates, Seven has grown into one of the most recognized “it” brands in Cycling.

They are such an “It” brand that my spoiled bike slathered butt would be willing to leave 70 degree, no arm warmers training days in Phoenix to fly into this!

I absolutely hate cold weather and always thought that I would avoid it at all costs. Turns out that “all costs” actually ends some place shy of 5 grand, so off I flew. I get off the plane and, after a bit of “fun” (my damn hand actually froze stuck to the door handle of the car!) hit the Hotel and parked up for the night. Next morning it’s out to the car, where I wait for 10 minutes for the half-inch of crap on the windows to melt and it’s off to Seven. I get outta the car, struggling to see past my breath (breath will actually blow back and freeze to your face if you move fast enough) while sliding down an icy hill and through the parking lot. The whole time I am thinking, “It’s a frikin’ Seven for crying out loud, just suck it up and nail down a Dream Bike!” Then I walk through the door and see this:

Shop bikes

Of course it got a little better when I get walked to the waiting area and found a sample of the bike we would have made for us.

Mr. Seven

Riding in the winter

Seven’s history goes back quite a ways past its relatively short history. It goes back nearly to the roots of Merlin in it’s pre-sold and sold again days before becoming a part of today’s American Bicycle Group (who are Preownedbikes.com / Merlin / Litespeed / QuitanaRoo / Tomac). Rob Vandermark was actually the first full time employee hired by the founders of Merlin. He had been working at a bicycle shop for a few years (he had to find a way to pay for the gear he needed to keep up with his brother) while getting through school on a scholarship as a sculpting major. His emphasis was on representational Bronze, so he had some art world experience with welding, casting and machining, but admitted that he “never thought it would come in handy”

A friend of Rob’s found an ad in the newspaper from a small frame builder working in Titanium and Rob thought he’d give it a look. Funny that he was also thinking that “Ti isn’t a bike material” Once at the interview, he thought “this is crazy, what am I doing here”. But he kept his thoughts to himself well enough to get the job. And as a metal sculptor with artisan skills and a love of bikes, he was promptly put to work.

… As the official company bike packing newspaper crumpler.

“I almost didn’t come back the next day” Rob says, but he’s glad he did as he was with Merlin for eleven more years helping to develop Ti technology for cycling as well as the magic brand that Merlin would become.

But the Bicycle game is what it is and with a few changes in ownership the new management wanted to focus on how the company looked on paper. While business is business and Rob has a lot of respect for the folks at Merlin, he wanted to concentrate on developing a high end, custom / customer focused product. And so, Seven cycles was born.

In it’s eighth year, Seven has become a world recognized custom house. While that’s a young company in the cycling world, Rob has been working with some of the staff at Seven for more than 17 years and they employ a couple of hundred years of Ti bike experience and a bazillion years in the cycling field for their staff. At Seven, extremely good building talent and a bit more modern thought process has done more than just create a hell of a bike. It has also spawned a bit different custom process where Sevens staff take a bit more active roll in working directly with the customer to make sure that they understand how best to apply the tools and materials to what an individual will need in their bike.

Note: The place is full of really skinny smart people that ride (the guy that welded my frame is probably sporting a backwards Molteni cap right now) and I got the feeling that they were as excited about the bike as I was.

Fitter Up!

It was an incredibly satisfying when we got the call from Seven simply to say “Nice job” on the details of a bike test that we had just finished. Of course it was even more satisfying to have them call us later with the opportunity to have a frame and fork.

And rather than having the process handled like a journo schmoozing (not that I qualify as a journalist), red carpet super fit, we didn’t go see em till very late in the process. We got our bike the same way you would (we were even offered the chance to do it with someone out of town so that we could be sure that Seven’s service works everywhere).

The fit process is a little different with Seven. It is less dependent on a fitter (which I found strange and disturbing at first). Seven do ask that you get the help of someone to help you take the measurements for your body and your current bike, and they have a very easy (and complete) set of dimensions they look for.

Odonata frame on a display stand

Once they have your tale-of-the-tape, they use their personal interview process and a top secret formula ( based on a 12-year study of ergonomics, biomechanics, and kinesiology, as well as the overall state of bike fit ) to decide what dimensions your frame should be, while also taking component choices in to consideration (including seat set-back, crank length and stem rise and length, bar reach, etc.).

Screw em!

They also ask for measurements of your old bike (as a point of reference), and they ask you several questions about what you do and don’t like in your current ride. Now we’re nobodies fool (er OK, few people’s fool) and they knew that I was in love with my last bike (another custom fit dreamer). So not only did I ask for a bike that would behave differently than the bike they knew I loved, I gave em a “modified” version of my bikes measures in order to see what their pre-production suggested measurements would be.

In short, I lied to try and screw em up.

Now remember that frame geometry can change dramatically within your fit. Your hands, feet and butt can remain in the same place while the angles between can be way different.

Welding a frame

I already had a perfect fit on a bike with an emphasis on being super stable, relaxed and comfortable (a distance eater that would respond when asked). With that in mind, I asked Seven to build something quicker steering and stiff as a first, second (and third) priority (why not have a custom fit dreamer with another focus eh?). I did give Seven my accurate body measures but did not give them an accurate accounting of where my contact points were on the other bike. Instead I gave them a longer saddle to bar measurement and also screwed up my seat set back.

Sonsabitches found em both.

Zac, my contact and interviewer at Seven, sounded a little worried (much to my sick pleasure) as he started to tell me that the (false) fit I raved about wasn’t what Seven had come up with. “I know you really like what you have now, but I’m not sure that you have the optimum fit, and we were wondering if you might try what we’ve come up with” was how he delicately put it:

I said “sure, what did you come up with?”

After applying my measurements and bike desires to their formula, they corrected my “altered” seat setback to exactly the same spot my current (good) fit dictated, and they corrected the reach to the bars to within 5mm… Not exact enough? Well another variable is that I had spec’d a different handlebar for the Seven and the reach to the hoods was 2.5mm toward the suggested Seven measurement. So they came within one quarter of a stem size of dead on. The saddle height they suggested was also a virtual match…

Filling out the custom kit

Long story long (sorry!) they did a better job of fitting me than I thought was possible without seeing me on a bike. Maybe that was a fluke, but I have not seen a 4 part fit fluke before now! I would also say that you need to be extremely honest about your performance, flexibility, fitness level and desires with them, as they take it all in to consideration.

Note that I love how Seven found my fibs, but I am physically fit and relatively well conditioned with no major problems and no significant fit conditions. I would suggest that you get with a highly qualified fitter if you have special conditions and also discuss them with Seven when ordering, just to make sure that the information you give is acquired, handled and received properly.

So What’d We Get?

Seven’s top-dog Elium Race.

Bottom bracket cluster

As frames go, it’s obviously a sweet bike. It was made sweeter by a few called in favors. Not only is the frame and fork a top spec, but Cycling Innovations sent us a one of a kind Crank set From ROI Bike special for this bike as well as some other select hardware From Tiso.

you’ll see a review of their stuff shortly

Schmolke sent us their Uber-bars, a sweet stem cap as well as a custom seat post. We’ll do a review of their stuff too.

And we had Reynolds new Carbon Mid V wheels as well as a super new set of Magnesium clinchers from American Classic. Stopped by a set of custom etched Pez Tech edition Zero Gravity brakes.

And Seven’s house stem (with Ti bolt upgrade) is no slouch. So nice that we stayed with it rather than spending money on something that didn’t have opposing force rear bolts and a “pull” rather than “push” face plate.

All this made for a disgustingly nice bike that will have the folks in forums ranting away (much to my personal pleasure mind you?) at our acknowledgement that this is nice kit, as if they wouldn’t take it.

Of course we did use the house wheel sets and saddle, and remounted our standard test bars so that we give you as much of a relative “bike” review as possible, but I will admit that I was as tainted as is humanly possible riding this thing in it’s photo-build.

Oh yeah: The Bike!

Seat cluster

Dealing with one of the better custom houses is a great time to remind you of the old saying “be careful what you ask for. You might get it”. Again, your honesty in the interview process is critical with Seven. They have over 25 Ti tube sizes from the mill to chose from (then they custom butt the Ti for your ride). They also have a rack of different Carbon tubes to run.

The result of this mountain of available tube tuning is that I asked for a bike that focused on quickness in handling and stiffness under force. They handed me just that.

Probably the easiest place to see the focus of this bike on the stiffness side is in the Chain stays. These are the largest I have ever seen on a bike my size.

note the stays are larger than the fully inflated 21 tire. The green mark is where the tire is the same distance from the camera as the stays

The Chain Stays in the photo above were the same size as a massive set of stays on a BMX bike that the shop was working on as I came to look at my frame. There is virtually no wheel twisting the dropouts allowed by these tree trunks (I did break a spoke with the load I put to a wheel though!).

The bottom bracket looked like a bottom bracket. It holds the chain stays out wide and had welds that were so smooth and uniform that they looked like they were drawn on rather than welded.

Keep in mind that (within reason) a twisty bottom bracket area in and of it’s self doesn’t rob you of too much power. As you force a frame to twist as you press down, it’s also rotating and pushing your “up-leg” up (and both forces are driving the chain). You do get a loose “feeling” with a sloppy bottom bracket though, and the play also promotes side force on the tire. That “woosh-woosh” you hear as you stand and pound the cranks is made by the tires pressing sideways and the further your frame flexes to the side, the more power is lost scrubbing tires side to side. Some folks think as much power is lost in nervous energy created as the rider gets the feeling that a lot of power is being wasted or that he / she isn’t stable: and more flex is probably coming from your wheels when you’re riding most of today’s high end stuff.  All that said, the bottom end of the Seven has virtually no twist at all. The feeling is incredibly satisfying stomping the pedals.

carbon fiber tubing

Note It’s important to note that all Ti is not the same. Nor are all welders. Done right, it’s great stuff. Done wrong (too slowly, in an unclean environment, wrong settings with the equipment, unevenly). Ti can be crap. That’s part of the reason it takes a year of training and apprenticeship to weld frames at Seven.

The down tube didn’t look as oversized relative to other bikes as the Chain stays did. Rather than going with a super fat tube, Seven kept things looking a little conservative and simply didn’t remove as much material from the tube walls (strategically removing material is what “butting” basically is). There are certainly sloppy Ti bikes out there, as some manufacturers pull too much material from a Ti bike to shave weight. Seven will pull just the amount of material out that gives you what you ask, bouncy or stiff, your choice.

The easiest bling to see on the Seven is in the funky weave in the Carbon tubes. It’s the first thing people ask about, as it’s obviously carbon and very unique. It’s multi directional carbon and once finished, the layers show up in what I call “camo-fiber”. The top tube is made from the stuff so that it can be very light and also resist twisting.

The Seat tube is Carbon to help with vibration absorbing. Seven insert the carbon as far as possible in the lug and leave the bottom of the tube fairly thick at the BB insert (for stiffness). The carbon also runs all the way to the top, at which point it receives a composite insert to house the seat post (you can see it inside the clamp below).

note that the seat collar is well made with a big bolt that is so easy to tighten that you may not think it is as snug as it is, much to my “old” seat posts displeasure.

You’ll also notice, around the seat tube joint, the shape detail machined of the lug, as well as the weld uniformity (can you spot where the welder had to change directions?). Also note the shape and machining of the seat clamp. It’s a little detail, but the little details at this level all add up.

The Seat stays and bridge are a split system rather than a wishbone. Seven say that keeping them separated to the top prevents side flex better than a wishbone for a given weight. Seven also pioneered the carbon / ti thing with the Odonata back in the mid-late 90’s.

These stays are straight as a golf shaft rather than being bent. This along with those tree-trunk sized Chain stays add up to a rear end that holds the back wheel in line as good as anything I have ever ridden (Aluminum, Carbon or Ti!).

ample tire clearance on chain stays

This stiff build spec mates up well with the fork Seven supplied. But then Seven’s fork should match well with darn near any lay out, as it comes in 18 different rakes designed to match character of an individual’s bike. The relationship of the fork to a frame set’s character and the balance of properties between the front and back wheels can’t be stressed enough. Sevens worked with Reynolds to create this huge range of forks and the result speaks volumes to Seven’s commitment to total ride performance. The fork mates with this frame and leaves me asking for nothing more than what I got. Side load handling, twist resistance and brake force resistance are absolutely top notch.

The Low-Down On Weight?

I hear people gripe about the weight of custom Ti / Carbon bikes on the market.

After having been on several (we actually have a couple more customs to publish after this) I can say that the feel and performance of lots of custom Ti only or Ti Carbon bikes, when done well, is great. You ride a bike, not a spec sheet after all.

Seven choose Ti down and Carbon up, and a large portion of the weight on this bike sits between the axles and not up high in your hands.

Green’s Carbon, Red’s Ti and the weight is pushed low-low.

Add the light bars, post, stem and brakes, and the weight that you can actually feel on the Elium is as good as any bike at any weight…

That said, it’s light anyway, as the photo build version is below the UCI minimum legal of 14.99 pounds. We were only under by a couple of grams, but this bike is sturdy from stem to QR’s, unlike some of the absolute foolishness that you see up for offer these day.

As weight restrictions go, my take on the UCI’s weight regulations is similar to Mr. Vandermark’s. Neither of us thinks that sticking million dollar athletes in the middle of a weight weenie-measuring contest is a good move. (Given the pathetic insurance that some riders get from teams, I would actually hate to see a workman get hurt even more than one of the stars.) And the UCI weight restriction hasn’t changed or prevented bicycle manufacturers development and concentration on weight at all. People are putting out lighter and lighter gear all the time. The UCI rule just means that riders can use fewer stupid parts on a bike (unless you’re sponsor does something like Cannondale a while back, who chose to add little weights to Simoni’s bike rather than performance).

Honestly, I am not sure the weight regulation hasn’t helped bike companies (and poor marketing folks) more than hurt them. Now manufacturers get to say “Our bike is illegal!” and leave that as a parts only benefit.

Anyway: With the weight being down low in this bike, it feels lighter than 14 and change. This coupled with the steeper geometry, shorter wheel base and super-light hoops, makes for a bike that drops in to corners faster than I was ready for! Flick-able is an understatement with the Elium Race.

What’s The difference?

If bikes were birds, my stable, comfortable, damn fast custom bike would be an Eagle. It gets up in the sky plenty quickly and is also a breath-taking swooping high speed descender. My QUICK-quick turning, quick accelerating damn fast custom Seven is more of a hummingbird.

And the hummingbird just got a beak full of RedBull!

I think “Go left” and don’t get to finish the thought. I think “left – right” and The Elium is already thinking 4 turns past that. I admit that part of this may be because I don’t think so gooder than sum people. But you could have a brain like Einstein and the reflexes of a young Sugar Ray Leonard and still not push the Seven past yawning at you.

Add the stiffness to the handling from a steeper geometry up front and you have an off the charts, slug-em-in-the-face-then-slam-the door-before-they-know-who-did-it Crit bike. This is a perfect toy to make wheel suckers life a living hell trying to stay lined up with your butt. Change of pace is also effortless and it matters not if you’re seated or standing.

Comfort was a secondary concern for me, as I thought I would give up quite a bit to get this kind of quickness, but the Seven soaks up road buzz very well. It translates big bumps a little more than our stable-comfort custom did, but that’s to be expected on a frame that is designed differently. This bike gives the stiffness of the BMC SLT01 or Colnago E-1 but does so with better comfort (not light praise as those are two very good bikes) and better stability that comes from being dead center on fit with a well matched fork. It’s dead on what I asked for with better comfort than I had thought it could have. It is as comfortable as lots of Ti that doesn’t have a prayer of being this stiff, and better comfort than some off the shelf Carbon focused on stiffness. Damn impressive.

That’s the Point!

It’s important to note that a great custom built bike will focus squarely on what you ask, but it will also let you sacrifice less in the areas it is not focused on. If I had wanted this to be a super laid back, longer wheel based, stable, comfort first bike, Seven could have handed be just that. It’s not all about stiffness or all about comfort, it’s all about you.

That’s the real value of custom done well as it considers Fit, but goes two steps further taking material choice as well as manipulation of that material into consideration. The highs are higher and the low’s less so.

Your bank account will get a little lower for a bike spec’d like this though. As built, if you could get zero Gravity to custom etch something and get Tiso to do one-off cranks direct from Italy, waited for Schmolke to get your other parts made to spec and shipped from Germany and then landed Reynolds and American Classics wheels, JagWire’s cables, a funky chain. You’ll be rolling around near 12 grand (shipping, customs and one off time come at a cost). But you can spec an Elium race built up for close to half that. The full custom frame and fork is $4,240. That’s near the top of anyone’s cost sheet, but the services that go in to that make the value relative. You can spend less on a frame just as easily as you can get less from it…

Geometry

Fret not though if you’re looking for Seven’s custom service for less than something that usually comes with an engine. You can get something from them in the $1500 range (frame only) too and the value for custom at that price is extremely good.

Have At It

You can take a peak at Seven by heading to SevenCycles.com. They have dealer locators, company history and the full model line up there (including a slew of options and color schemes).

Also call the guys at Bicycle Ranch if you’re in the South West. They built this puppy and also handled the fit check.

Hit up CyclingInnovations.com for the super trick Tiso gear and ROI Zefiro carbon cranks. They also do OEM stuff for manufacturers and teams.

Schmolke Carbon are the Uber Masters of high end light. They will custom make seat posts (reinforced just at your specific seat height) and bars with a combination of weight and strength that I didn’t think existed. Bring your banker though.

Mean while, I will be busy explaining to the rest of the Pez staff that Seven’s motto is not “One Bike, Yours”. It’s One Bike:

Mine!

Note: if you have other experiences with gear, or something to add, drop us a line. We don’t claim to know everything (we just imply it at times). Give us a pat on the back if you like the reviews, or a slap in the head if you feel the need!

 

VeloNews Q&A: Seven’s custom niche

Rob Vandermark has always had a knack for turning the impossible into the desirable. As the head designer for Merlin Metalworks, back when Merlin was a struggling independent, he figured out how to create externally butted, seamless titanium tubing. The result was the Merlin Extralight, which for many years reigned as a benchmark in the road bike stratosphere. He also created the Merlin Newsboy, a bona fide mountain bike disguised as the most stylish of cruisers.

Easy to do, you say, if you have all the money in the world to work with. So at the opposite end of the price scale, he delivered the Merlin RSR and Taiga, affordable titanium bikes that were viable alternatives to a torrent of inexpensive aluminum frames that flooded the market in the mid-nineties.

But as much as his reputation was born of his work in titanium, Vandermark’s career has never been about metal. At heart, he is a design engineer, and industrial process is as important to him as bike performance. When his studies on manufacturing efficiency revealed a better way to build bikes, he left Merlin to create his own company and put his ideas into practice.

The result was Seven Cycles, a thriving bike company in Watertown, Massachusetts, which has turned the custom frame paradigm on its head. Seven specializes in custom work, and has perfected a way to deliver tailored frames in a matter of weeks, not months – this despite the complexity of the titanium, carbon fiber and steel materials the company works with.

It’s a market that, judging from Seven’s success, was vastly underestimated. Seven’s motto, “One bike: Yours” has resonated with a much larger pool of finicky, well-heeled customers than anyone could have predicted. Today, Seven churns out a huge range of road, mountain, cyclo-cross, triathlon, single-speed and tandem bikes. Nearly all of them are custom in the fullest sense. Geometry and sizing are individually determined, of course, but so too are tube diameters and wall thicknesses. It might be literally true that no two Sevens are identical, and yet the company manages to deliver most orders in 21 days.

Seven’s philosophy, materials mix and operating basis are unique in the bicycle industry, and lately the company’s profile has been elevated with the success of Olympic contender Mary McConneloug, who Seven has sponsored for a number of years. We talked with Rob Vandermark about how he put it all together.

VeloNews: What is the breakdown of your product mix?

Rob Vandermark: We’re 20 percent steel and 80 percent titanium or Ti/carbon mix. Ti/carbon is probably right around 15 percent of the total and growing, and I think it’ll continue to grow.

VN: So most of your production is full Ti frames?

RV: Yes, about 65 percent, I guess it is. It’s going really well, and our sales are growing 20 to 30 percent. It’s continuing to grow with the majority of our sales in the U.S., although now we’re starting to do more internationally, so I think for next year it will be a challenge to keep up. But yes, Ti is very strong for us. But I think [our growth] is more market share than growth in the Ti market.

VN: If Seven has grown even though the titanium bike market has not, where has the growth come from?

RV: I think the unusual thing about Seven is that because it’s all custom, that’s what is growing. The titanium in some ways is incidental – not entirely, but our situation is kind of artificial in terms of material because I think it’s the custom elements that we offer that have helped us grow, more than, “Oh, Seven’s a titanium brand, we need that in our store.” There’s certainly some of that, but I think the growth is that more and more people see custom as a reasonable, and achievable and not intimidating option. We’re trying to show that everyone should be on a custom bike, whether it’s Ti or carbon or steel or whatever.

When you say we’re a Ti business first, ten years from now that very well may not be the case, and maybe three years from now – who knows as the market changes, and what’s going on with carbon? It’s changing so fast, faster than any other material stuff that’s been going on. For Seven to remain viable and continue to do things with customization that other people aren’t doing and be at the forefront of that, materials do play a role.

VN: So the real key to Seven’s success is that you are primarily a custom builder, and the material is almost secondary?

RV: Yes, when a dealer or a customer thinks of Seven, the first word they think of may be “titanium,” or it may be “custom;” they’re both pretty high on the list. But we try not to have it be “Seven titanium.” I think tying solely to titanium can be a problem, as you can see with other companies. In fact, that’s one of the reasons why we did steel [frames] early on – not that we were doing a large volume, but we didn’t want people to see us as only a Ti brand. It’s one of the reasons why we started working with carbon seven years ago, early on working with carbon, Ti and steel to keep it in people’s minds that it’s not just ti. Although I know that because the percentage of Ti is so high that people would perceive us that way.

VN: You bring up an interesting point. You were the first company, at least in the U.S., to do a mix of carbon and titanium in a road frame.

RV: Yes, applying the carbon in the seatstays, or using carbon that way in a frame. The Specialized [Epic Ultimate] carbon/Ti [mountain] bikes came before that – we built those for Specialized at Merlin- but to use the concept of the carbon seatstays and fork as the bike’s suspension units and the titanium or steel being the chassis of the bike, that was apparently a strong enough proposition that it is now extremely common, so it’s kind of a cool sidebar to Seven’s history.

VN: And then over the years, the amount of carbon going into Seven’s frames has been increasing. So what is the request level from your customers for an all-carbon Seven?

RV: If they’re not thinking custom first, they’re thinking titanium first, so we’re not getting dealers saying “You need to do a full carbon bike.” When we introduced the Elium [road bike, with carbon main tubes and seatstays], there were some dealers who said, “What are you doing? It’s too different.” But now that they’ve ridden it, they say this makes sense, it’s a good use of the material. At this show, I don’t think we’ve had a single dealer say we need a full-carbon bike.

VN: It’s more a matter of you needing to lead them than their requests to you?

RV: Yes, it’s a tricky thing to say. But part of product development’s job is to figure out what the customer doesn’t know that they want or need. We have to listen to dealers and provide what they want, but we have to stay a few steps ahead, if possible – and not be off in some weird tangent. So having a full carbon bike, there’s a lot of logic to offering that to our dealers, and I never say never. And we’re pretty close – the Elium is not many steps away from a full carbon bike.

But the whole carbon market is in an interesting stage. There are a lot of carbon manufacturers and suppliers, and the bikes, the way they are fabricated, are all very different, and nobody really cares what technologies people are using – is it monocoque, or hand laid up or filament wound? – all that. It is going to be an interesting thing in a couple of years when we’ll see if it becomes important how the bike is made.

Two years ago, how do we butt tubes, and why don’t we use shaped tubes, and the contractile strain ratio of the grain of the titanium, all that stuff was really important. There was a hunger for that knowledge. In the past two years we’ve seen that just fall off. Nobody cares anymore, partly, I think, because the titanium bikes are durable no matter who’s making them. And with carbon, it’s so esthetics-driven right now, and people don’t have enough experience to know what’s going to hold up and what’s not. If it looks cool, that’s good enough – “That’s the bike I want.”

So that’s a really interesting thing to see in the next few years. Are people going to care how a bike’s made? And how will that then affect who is left in the carbon market? In some ways it’s like the Ti market. Ten years ago, everybody had a Ti bike, at least in their brochure, and that’s sort of – people have stopped doing that. I don’t see carbon being marginalized like that; it’s just too strong. People will figure it out, like aluminum. I mean, I hear people saying “carbon’s going to go away.” I don’t think that’s possible, I don’t see how that’s going to happen.

VN: Can you offer the same level of customization in a carbon bike as you do with your current line-up?

RV: With the carbon tubes and Ti lugs system, the way we’re doing welded lugs, absolutely. Even to the tube tailoring, and certainly to the geometry, no question. And with the new work we’re doing with MacLean [Composites, a carbon tube supplier] and the filament winding and the way we’re doing that, we’re getting a great variety of characteristics. But what’s interesting with the more classic carbon bike, the monocoque or the way that Trek does it, the OCLV style, it makes customization extremely limited or extremely expensive or causes very long lead times. So that’s a limiting factor.

With the current stuff that’s available, I know that Parlee and Calfee are doing custom work, but the process is still a production process that they’re squeezing into a custom system, which is really difficult to do. I mean, they’re doing it, but I’m certain it’s not much fun. I don’t want to speak for another manufacturer, but certainly not a lot of people are able to do that yet. And it’s similar to what we’re doing now; it’s using a lug that’s adjustable with a fixed tube. So if we were to take what we’re doing and expand it to full carbon tubes, titanium lugs would certainly make it fully customizable. But that’s an entirely different bike than, say, a carbon Orbea. It’s a totally different customer, it’s almost not a carbon-to-carbon comparison in a way.

VN: Changing the subject slightly, you had a great year this year with Mary McConneloug; will you continue that sponsorship next year?

RV: We are in talks with her and it’s our intention to work with her again. I think her goals will be different, because getting to the Olympics was her focus for the whole time that we’ve sponsored her. Now her goals are changing, and we’re working with her on how we participate in that. But it’s been an amazing relationship and she’s been the best ambassador we could hope for. So we definitely want to work with her and she wants to work with us.

Sponsorship in general is an interesting challenge, to figure out what is the return and to what extent is it worth it. A lot of the reason we do it is for industry participation. We are in this industry and we want to participate in all the facets of it, so sponsorship is part of that. And getting people out there and the exposure, not for Seven but to be able to support Mary to do good things and to bring something to cycling.

VN: Do you get much in the way of product development out of it?

RV: Yes, Mike [Broderick, McConneloug’s travel partner] has been great because he thinks about it quite a lot. When they’re traveling he’s the mechanic and [also] racing at a really high level, so that’s been helpful. It is really a good piece of the puzzle. And within the company there are so many people who ride hard and race, so even internally there are a lot of avenues for getting good product development.